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		<title>By: Brenton Gieser &#8211; The Real Story Interview Series #11 &#124; Optimistic Wellness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenton Gieser &#8211; The Real Story Interview Series #11 &#124; Optimistic Wellness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is a post from Brenton&#8217;s Website that I found very insightful and practical, with more info about how his first start-up &#8220;failed&#8221; and some of the lessons he learned: &#160; What to Do When Your First Start-up Fails [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here is a post from Brenton&#8217;s Website that I found very insightful and practical, with more info about how his first start-up &#8220;failed&#8221; and some of the lessons he learned: &nbsp; What to Do When Your First Start-up Fails [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brenton</title>
		<link>http://brentongieser.com/my-life/startup-failure/comment-page-1#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are always very insightful Aaron.  We still need to get on that phone call.  

As for you test local expand nationwide approach, I think with you successes you have proved this is a viable model.  Let&#039;s touch base soon, it looks like we have alot to talk about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are always very insightful Aaron.  We still need to get on that phone call.  </p>
<p>As for you test local expand nationwide approach, I think with you successes you have proved this is a viable model.  Let&#8217;s touch base soon, it looks like we have alot to talk about.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Belsh</title>
		<link>http://brentongieser.com/my-life/startup-failure/comment-page-1#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Belsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brenton.  Great to read your post, my condolences for this setback.  As you&#039;ve noted, it&#039;s only a setback- our team here has lost a few people for one reason or another over the last two years.  It&#039;s tough at first but you&#039;ll be fine.

Anyhow, others have addressed some of your questions, so I&#039;ll answer another one.

   &quot;Better yet, please let me know what tips you have for BlackTop Hoops…I would love to hear from you and this time my ears are fully open.&quot;

We didn&#039;t really talk in depth about your strategy for developing a userbase for BTH, so I&#039;ll only give my thoughts on how I would do it if I were starting from scratch.

With PhatDeals, we&#039;ve seen how several competitors have attempted to go national all at once.  Create the interface, check.  Okay.. now to spend all our budget on marketing by blanketing the internets and hoping it sticks..

Thus, our decision to spend a lot of time developing our service with SB as our test market.  The reason why we&#039;re in SB is that the constellation of our target market requirements- lots of young, tech-oriented people with smartphones and who need to save money (aka college students and recent alums) + high density of small businesses.  

For BTH, you have your own metrics- I imagine they include a high density of streetball players that are tech-savvy (smart phones and internet) + location where recruiters already frequent.  There might be more.  If I were starting BTH from scratch, I&#039;d identify where these hotspots are, and find the one that balances those factors best with your  team&#039;s personal connections. Cleveland, Philly and Oakland come to mind.

Then I&#039;d work my ass off getting plugged into those communities.  If the BTH concept gets some wind in its sails you&#039;ll go places.


Aaron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brenton.  Great to read your post, my condolences for this setback.  As you&#8217;ve noted, it&#8217;s only a setback- our team here has lost a few people for one reason or another over the last two years.  It&#8217;s tough at first but you&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
<p>Anyhow, others have addressed some of your questions, so I&#8217;ll answer another one.</p>
<p>   &#8220;Better yet, please let me know what tips you have for BlackTop Hoops…I would love to hear from you and this time my ears are fully open.&#8221;</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t really talk in depth about your strategy for developing a userbase for BTH, so I&#8217;ll only give my thoughts on how I would do it if I were starting from scratch.</p>
<p>With PhatDeals, we&#8217;ve seen how several competitors have attempted to go national all at once.  Create the interface, check.  Okay.. now to spend all our budget on marketing by blanketing the internets and hoping it sticks..</p>
<p>Thus, our decision to spend a lot of time developing our service with SB as our test market.  The reason why we&#8217;re in SB is that the constellation of our target market requirements- lots of young, tech-oriented people with smartphones and who need to save money (aka college students and recent alums) + high density of small businesses.  </p>
<p>For BTH, you have your own metrics- I imagine they include a high density of streetball players that are tech-savvy (smart phones and internet) + location where recruiters already frequent.  There might be more.  If I were starting BTH from scratch, I&#8217;d identify where these hotspots are, and find the one that balances those factors best with your  team&#8217;s personal connections. Cleveland, Philly and Oakland come to mind.</p>
<p>Then I&#8217;d work my ass off getting plugged into those communities.  If the BTH concept gets some wind in its sails you&#8217;ll go places.</p>
<p>Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: Doing Business With Friends &#124; A Life With No Walls</title>
		<link>http://brentongieser.com/my-life/startup-failure/comment-page-1#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Doing Business With Friends &#124; A Life With No Walls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My first venture Blacktop Hoops is the quintessential example of friendships and ventures turned ugly.  I ended up collaborating with a friend I only knew for a short period of time.  We had our differences but since we believed we needed each other we stuck through it.  He later brought his friend on to be our developer.  Communication was terrible and there was far too much tippy toeing around people&#8217;s feelings.  End result, is that the partnership is now dissolved.  Learn the whole ugly story here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My first venture Blacktop Hoops is the quintessential example of friendships and ventures turned ugly.  I ended up collaborating with a friend I only knew for a short period of time.  We had our differences but since we believed we needed each other we stuck through it.  He later brought his friend on to be our developer.  Communication was terrible and there was far too much tippy toeing around people&#8217;s feelings.  End result, is that the partnership is now dissolved.  Learn the whole ugly story here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words Matt.  I hope to bring  discussion to email sometime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words Matt.  I hope to bring  discussion to email sometime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your experiences! This is something we can definitely all learn from. One thing you said that I wanted to highlight: &quot;Since I am the president of the company…I deserve all the blame.&quot; - I think this is important to bring up. I remember a speaker once told me, &quot;As an entrepreneur, the ball is ALWAYS in your court.&quot; I took this to heart and very rarely will you find me blaming someone else. 

I think the most important lessen here to be learned is communication. This is one reason I&#039;m so adamant on having very good blueprints when working on a new project. I want to make sure I&#039;m on the same page with the client and that I fully understand what they are looking for. I&#039;d say that&#039;s the biggest take away from your story.

Thanks for sharing these experiences! As with David, feel free to let me know if you need help on anything. My strengths are in starting businesses and having a fluent understanding of any technologies involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your experiences! This is something we can definitely all learn from. One thing you said that I wanted to highlight: &#8220;Since I am the president of the company…I deserve all the blame.&#8221; &#8211; I think this is important to bring up. I remember a speaker once told me, &#8220;As an entrepreneur, the ball is ALWAYS in your court.&#8221; I took this to heart and very rarely will you find me blaming someone else. </p>
<p>I think the most important lessen here to be learned is communication. This is one reason I&#8217;m so adamant on having very good blueprints when working on a new project. I want to make sure I&#8217;m on the same page with the client and that I fully understand what they are looking for. I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s the biggest take away from your story.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing these experiences! As with David, feel free to let me know if you need help on anything. My strengths are in starting businesses and having a fluent understanding of any technologies involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Manuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a GREAAT post for entrepreneurs or anyone looking to succeed and rise above just being average. I can see this post going into a success book that will remember the greatest entrepreneurs of our time.

Honestly Brenton, this chapter in your life is a MUST if you truly are going to be a success. Who wants to read about a person who had it easy and succeeded with minimal hardships on their first endeavor? This is where  MOST people quit and decide to stop trying..... which is why MOST people don&#039;t ever make it.

- Michal Jordan was cut from the B team

- Thomas Edison failed over 10,000 times before finding the solution to the light bulb

- Colonel Sanders was contemplating suicide months before his restaurant launched

- The Team went through that whole lawsuit

- My first two websites (I started when I was 19) were a complete bust even though I spend WELL over a 1000 hours on them

The list goes on and on. As Orrin Woodward once said, &quot;what you think is a tragedy may very well be your greatest blessing in disguise.&quot;

It is not what happens to us, it is how we RESPOND to what happens to us that makes the difference, and as you stated in your blog, you already unconsciously embraced that habit by flooding your mind with OPPORTUNITY rather then throwing a pity party.

How I love the path of the entrepreneur: hardships, uncertainty, stress, criticism, constant failures, and ALL OF IT by CHOICE. Being so familiar with the bitter taste of failure will just make the victory taste that much sweeter.

&quot;Adversity introduces a man to himself.&quot;

- DMan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a GREAAT post for entrepreneurs or anyone looking to succeed and rise above just being average. I can see this post going into a success book that will remember the greatest entrepreneurs of our time.</p>
<p>Honestly Brenton, this chapter in your life is a MUST if you truly are going to be a success. Who wants to read about a person who had it easy and succeeded with minimal hardships on their first endeavor? This is where  MOST people quit and decide to stop trying&#8230;.. which is why MOST people don&#8217;t ever make it.</p>
<p>- Michal Jordan was cut from the B team</p>
<p>- Thomas Edison failed over 10,000 times before finding the solution to the light bulb</p>
<p>- Colonel Sanders was contemplating suicide months before his restaurant launched</p>
<p>- The Team went through that whole lawsuit</p>
<p>- My first two websites (I started when I was 19) were a complete bust even though I spend WELL over a 1000 hours on them</p>
<p>The list goes on and on. As Orrin Woodward once said, &#8220;what you think is a tragedy may very well be your greatest blessing in disguise.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not what happens to us, it is how we RESPOND to what happens to us that makes the difference, and as you stated in your blog, you already unconsciously embraced that habit by flooding your mind with OPPORTUNITY rather then throwing a pity party.</p>
<p>How I love the path of the entrepreneur: hardships, uncertainty, stress, criticism, constant failures, and ALL OF IT by CHOICE. Being so familiar with the bitter taste of failure will just make the victory taste that much sweeter.</p>
<p>&#8220;Adversity introduces a man to himself.&#8221;</p>
<p>- DMan</p>
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		<title>By: csegeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>csegeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just goes to show we all need to just keep plugging away at what is wanted and if you have to fail a thousand times to get that one good break .. It should be all worth the effort in the end... Great Post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just goes to show we all need to just keep plugging away at what is wanted and if you have to fail a thousand times to get that one good break .. It should be all worth the effort in the end&#8230; Great Post.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brim</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Brenton,
I can completely relate to what your going through.  A few years ago I started a collaboration software company GroupTable (http://grouptable.com/) and brought on a developer as a partner to bring it to life.

My partner worked 30 hours a week, went to school full time and had a full time girlfriend.  Being a marketer I have a very strong sense of urgency as speed to market is often important.  It always seemed like things wouldn&#039;t get done on time, or there was always a debate on how a feature should work and what should be added in, etc.  It can be very frustrating.

Looking back on it.....It may have been better to save up and invest a few thousand into getting the software professionally developed by a reliable team (possibly overseas).  This way you would have more control and fire power (more human resources than just 1 dev).  Plus if the idea really blows up you&#039;d have more equity for investors or profits for yourself.

I&#039;ve started over 3-4 different companies and tons of ventures in between.  The learning experience of launching your own venture or company is better than any class.

I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll figure something out.  If you ever want to chat about anything let me know.  I started a marketing and web-design company: BrandAdvance.net that is doing quite well so far.  If you ever want to bounce anything off me or if there is ever anything I can do to help let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Brenton,<br />
I can completely relate to what your going through.  A few years ago I started a collaboration software company GroupTable (<a href="http://grouptable.com/" rel="nofollow">http://grouptable.com/</a>) and brought on a developer as a partner to bring it to life.</p>
<p>My partner worked 30 hours a week, went to school full time and had a full time girlfriend.  Being a marketer I have a very strong sense of urgency as speed to market is often important.  It always seemed like things wouldn&#8217;t get done on time, or there was always a debate on how a feature should work and what should be added in, etc.  It can be very frustrating.</p>
<p>Looking back on it&#8230;..It may have been better to save up and invest a few thousand into getting the software professionally developed by a reliable team (possibly overseas).  This way you would have more control and fire power (more human resources than just 1 dev).  Plus if the idea really blows up you&#8217;d have more equity for investors or profits for yourself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve started over 3-4 different companies and tons of ventures in between.  The learning experience of launching your own venture or company is better than any class.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll figure something out.  If you ever want to chat about anything let me know.  I started a marketing and web-design company: BrandAdvance.net that is doing quite well so far.  If you ever want to bounce anything off me or if there is ever anything I can do to help let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Atlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Brenton...I hope BTH gets launched again soon. Sounds like you learned an invaluable lesson from this unfortunate situation. Once BTH is released, how are you planning on marketing the site? I have been working as a marketing intern for like the past two months and am just realizing the full potential of web 2.0. I thought you had a good product with the old BTH but I don&#039;t think it had found its audience yet. It&#039;s out there, you just got to actively look for it. Good luck with everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Brenton&#8230;I hope BTH gets launched again soon. Sounds like you learned an invaluable lesson from this unfortunate situation. Once BTH is released, how are you planning on marketing the site? I have been working as a marketing intern for like the past two months and am just realizing the full potential of web 2.0. I thought you had a good product with the old BTH but I don&#8217;t think it had found its audience yet. It&#8217;s out there, you just got to actively look for it. Good luck with everything.</p>
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